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I don't remember well
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of my childhood.
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After my mother died,
or even before...
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That's why I'm happy
for coming to Los Angeles.
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All my life,
I dreamed of getting married in church
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in a beautiful dress.
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With not too many people...
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but I want to get married in church
and be blessed.
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How is the baby?
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Do you want to feel it?
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Put your hand there.
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It's moving.
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He kicked me.
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He jumps.
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This will make the night quiet,
I presume.
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That ?
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I like peace when I rest.
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I'm very picky about this.
Crying annoys me.
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Behind the walls of Jericho!
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Not as thick as those
whom Joshua destroyed with his trumpet.
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But much safer.
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You see...
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I don't have a trumpet.
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To show you
my best intentions,
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I'll give you my best pajamas.
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You want
join the Israelites?
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You don't want to?
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I wanted to be able to explain
what touched me so much.
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The whole world was speechless.
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It's astonishing, surprising.
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I think you're lost for words,
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one of the things that happens
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is that you can't believe it.
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You lose your words
because it's traumatic.
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One person told Lanzmann
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that there are no films about the Holocaust
from the victims' point of view.
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That's what he tried to do,
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draw up an overall picture
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from the point of view of the victims, of the Jews.
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When this idea was presented to him
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by the ministry
of Israeli Foreign Affairs...
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He really created an event.
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Because he did it in the present.
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He didn't want it to be
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a thing of the past for them,
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but a thing of the present for us.
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They destroyed the places, the ovens,
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they destroyed everything.
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There's no paper left, nothing...
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They destroyed the victims.
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The bodies.
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What can we film?
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Lanzmann found a way
thanks to the tools of cinema...
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The landscapes
places of extermination.
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He gathered the witnesses
at the scene of the extermination.
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Srebnik says:
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"No one can understand it,
not even me here.
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“It’s amazing that I’m here.
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“But no one can understand it.”
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I think Lanzmann agreed,
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it's impossible to really understand.
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Nazi atrocities
are not understandable.
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After watching the film,
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I made it a teaching subject,
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“literature as testimony”.
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Bear a testimony
as one of the functions of art.
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With the power of art.
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He succeeded through the power of art.
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With a construction
almost philosophical of the film.
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It's terribly difficult
to testify
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of something
which is beyond our imagination.
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And that was the Nazi trap.
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This is why
they couldn't believe it.
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In Lanzmann's film about Karski,
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the Jewish judge
of the American Supreme Court,
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said:
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"I'm not saying you're lying,
but I don’t believe you.”
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Although he was Jewish.
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Even the Jews didn't believe it.
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I remember he wrote
a mysterious sentence in an interview,
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- when I read it, I was stunned -
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he said
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that he couldn't save
the victims, he arrived later.
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But he could
accompany them in death
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so as not to let them die alone.
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It's very beautiful.
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I think
that the work of art testifies.
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Lanzmann's work is a testimony.
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It acts as a testimony,
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but he says:
"There is no theory,
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"no conclusion
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“and it’s not over yet.”
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I have a photo of this scene which is...
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Even the photo is scary.
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He is surrounded, in front of the church,
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by all the men of the village,
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the women, the men of the village,
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and he had crossed the village.
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All Poles
knew about the killings.
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And they had heard him sing.
He doesn't speak, they speak.
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He just smiles.
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He has a fantastic smile.
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He has a tragic face.
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He's a magnificent man.
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Srebnik smiles.
All this time he is silent.
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My interpretation was...
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Srebnik becomes a witness
for the 1st time.
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He said: "When I was a child,
It didn't affect me.
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"Because everything I've ever seen
were corpses.
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“Nothing affected me.”
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He becomes a conscious witness
now,
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of what happened to him as a child.
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Because now it's affecting him.
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As a child, he was unconscious.
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30 years after reading you
for the first time,
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I realized
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that perhaps I was beginning to find
a few words thanks to you.
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This is why I made this trip.
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There is a useful word in French,
which is “gratitude”.
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Thank you, you are very...
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kind and generous to me.
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So long ago!
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Good to see you.
How many years? Three ?
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Two.
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Truffaut once said...
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So goes the story,
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and this is how Godard
began Unfortunately for me.
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The Baal Shem Tov was called
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because the Jewish people were in danger.
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So he went into the forest,
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a sacred place in the forest.
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He lit the sacred fire,
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he said the prayer
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and the miracle was accomplished.
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People were saved.
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A generation later,
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his disciple,
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and I don't remember anymore
named after the disciples,
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was called again
to save the Jewish people,
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who was still in danger,
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which is obviously constant
for the Jews.
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So he went into the forest.
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He lit the flame.
He no longer remembered the prayer.
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But because he had found
the place
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and that he had lit the sacred fire,
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the miracle has been accomplished
and the Jews were saved.
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When his disciple arrived,
faced with the same situation...
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The disciple's disciple, exactly.
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He went into the forest.
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He didn't remember
how to light the fire,
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nor how to say the prayer
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but because he knew
the place in the forest,
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the miracle was accomplished.
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When the disciple of this disciple
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was confronted again
in the same situation,
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he didn't know
the place in the forest,
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nor prayer,
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nor how to light the sacred fire,
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but he knew
how to tell the story.
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As he knew how to tell the story,
the miracle was accomplished.
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We could therefore ask ourselves,
will there come a time
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where someone will no longer remember
how to tell the story?
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I don't think so.
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- We know the story.
- Yes.
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Sometimes it can seem
that history has been lost,
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but it can always be found
and told again.
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We can think
with numerous examples to illustrate it,
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also I think it's a hope.
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I have always loved this story.
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Is there a movie you've seen
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who led you to the possibility
to make a film?
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You, Kent Jones.
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I don't have an answer,
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but the only way for me
to respond,
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that's when I saw The wild horde...
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By Sam Peckinpah.
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At the moment when...
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William Holden, Ernest Borgnine,
Warren Oates and the whole gang
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say they want
get their man back,
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the one the bandits had caught.
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His name is Angel,
performed by Jaime Sanchez.
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The bandit said: “You want Angel?
Okay, you can have Angel.”
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So he grabs it,
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the guy had been beaten to death,
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he raises his head,
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take a knife and...
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This causes a series of cuts
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where you see Ernest Borgnine speechless,
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William Holden...
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They look around
and then it's the end.
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The battle begins,
they know they are all going to die.
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When I saw this scene, I thought:
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I would have loved to direct that!